First, I appreciate this group and it's comforting to see others in my situation. This is my first post. I hope this isn't a boring read!! I could use some advice.
A little background: My mom is 83 years old and lives alone in an independent living facility. I am an only child and live about 10 minutes away. My sweet dad passed away 14 years ago and my mom never remarried. Her health is fairly good; she has type 2 diabetes and severe peripheral neuropathy in her feet and hands. She uses a walker and has had many falls; thankfully nothing severe.
She depends on me quite a bit and I feel like whatever I do is never enough and most of the time it's never completely correct. She has been very hurtful in the past about my weight and about things she dreams up that I have or have not done that hurt her feelings. Despite my many shortcomings, I think if she had it her way I would be with her 24 hours every day, lol. She wants to know where I am constantly and is upset if I don't answer the phone every time she calls or if I am not immediately available to do something she needs. It gets exhausting and suffocating. I think she has the beginnings of dementia.
I have 3 children and 6 grandchildren. One of my daughters lives 4 hours away and I would like to go on Monday to spend a few days with her and the kids. Her husband is away for work and I relish the thought of just being with her for a visit. I am dreading telling my mom because I know she will insist that she goes with me. I feel like she's always considered my children to also be her children and she insists on going with me whenever I see them. I really just want to go alone but I feel SO guilty about not asking my mom to go. One one hand I feel like I should be able to do what I want; to see my daughter if I please. On the other, I feel like a monster for not wanting to take my mom.
This sounds horrible and selfish: When I take mom on trips, I am not able to relax; I am a babysitter for her. I fetch this and that, cook for her, clean up after her, worry about her falling, help her get dressed, and basically do her bidding the entire time we're gone.
I just want to do this for me. Am I a horrible daughter? How do I tell her I'm going and what do I say when she insists on going?
Thank you for your honesty in advance!
Suz
But, your ruining your own life by allowing her to put you on a guilt trip.
You have your own place, I assume?
I would cut down on the everyday visits. Start small, go one day, skip the next,and so on.
Go on your trip, ALONE, and please try & enjoy it.
It seems to me that she has overtaken your life, Time to get it back.
When I was growing up, we were the “no vacation” family. No trips to anywhere. (OK, in the 20-some years my parents were together, we did 2-3 overnighters to visit friends out of state. Door-to-door couchsurfing. Every meal at their house. In hindsight, I’m sure they groaned at our arrival and were thrilled when we left.)
But seriously, no day trips to a state park — or anywhere else. No overnights either, except for one drunken brouhaha at Dad’s friend’s hunting camp. (The one & only time I experienced a hotel.) No beach. No woodsy cabin or camping. No hobby-centric trips. No picnics. No jaunt to the apple orchard or berry farm. Nothing.
After my father passed and I was a young adult, I experienced yet another installment of “it’s my job to compensate for my parents’ crappy marriage.” In the form of my mother dropping hints about wanting to go where I went.... wanting me to take her to XXXX..... how nice it would be for her to see XXXX with me.
Uh, no. Whether it was by accident or by design, Mom was beyond neurotic if she was 10 minutes outside her comfort zone. As a passenger, she was always convinced that the driver did not know the route if SHE did not know the route. Went on and on about being lost - when we weren’t. Always sure that her (very competent) driver would get into an accident. Preferred her own abysmal driving to anyone else’s, but refused to drive anywhere except her usual haunts.
And Mom was “so busy.” Doing what? We’ll never know.
But in Mom’s mind, the old turd (my dad) was out of the way - so let’s be gal pals! On her loopy terms and her odd schedule, of course.
I would go to Mom’s house for lunch or to plant spring flowers — when she wasn’t “too busy.” Ahem. I would meet Mom to shop or grab a bite to eat together.....always in her geographical zone.
But “going places” together? No way. I wasn’t all rant-y about it. I just set my boundaries and that was that.
As a minor, it was (inappropriately) my job to “save” or distract Mom from her crappy marriage. As an adult, I chafed at the expectation so much That I Just Couldn’t.
[I was in my 40s when I learned what “parentified” means. Ohhhh. It was like another dimension opened up. But I digress.]
And yes, as an adult, most of my same-age female friends were going peach-picking with their mothers or lakeside weekends or casino jaunts and such. It sounded lovely - but it was not right for Mom & me.
After Mom married her 2nd husband, she turned up the gas a little. Wanted to show the new stepfamily that we were not aberrant. Wanted to demonstrate that our side of the family was “normal.” And Mom wanted to achieve this by using me as her beard.
I did not take the bait. No rants, no speeches. Just stuck with my adult modus operandi. If the step-fam wondered why I wasn’t taking Mom on winery tours and cruises, let them wonder.
Not my monkey, not my circus.
So. Stack decade after decade onto that. No mother-daughter travel.
It’s not the worst outcome. I preserved my sanity. Yay me.
Mom had every opportunity to spread her wings with her sister or her friends or her 2nd husband. Mom elected not to.
Her life. Her personality disorder. Her choices.
Please plan your trip to visit your daughter, from Monday to Wednesday or whenever feels right. Then just go. You are not beholden to your mother to tell her about every single thing that you do or place that you go. She is in AL and they are taking care of her, and she will be FINE for a few days. Don't answer every time she calls while you're away, and don't explain where you are or what you are doing. It's called ME TIME.
As to the hurtful personal comments, I would address this head on. Ignoring it will not make it go away. The next time she makes a hurtful comment, let her know it is not okay, it is unacceptable for her to hurt your feelings, and you will not allow this type of comment from someone who you are making every effort to help. Then follow through. If she says something rude, take a day or two and DO NOT CALL her. She will get the message that this is not okay with you. Teach her how to treat you.
Is she getting enough attention at the AL facility? If not, perhaps consider hiring a sitter to spend an afternoon with her every week. If you can afford it, let someone else (a professional) take care of some of her needs. Even if they just take her out to lunch every week for or some one on one time, that might help to make her feel special and reduce some of the neediness. They can go and sit in a park, look at the people and flowers, and have a donut and coffee. It doesn't really matter what it is as long as it is enjoyable. Also having a regular spot is very good for the soul. You know the theme song from Cheers? "Where everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came..."
Now go and plan your visit to YOUR daughter! And have fun.
It will feel different, of course. Visualize how you want to value yourself, how you would feel if you allowed yourself to feel good/do what you want, and be aware of what comes up. Your mom has depended on you (to an unhealthy degree) because you have allowed her to do so.
You can be honest with her "short and sweet."
I need some alone time to renew and get reacquainted with myself.
I realize this time apart will be difficult for both of us.
Period. End of your comments (aside of perhaps giving her the dates and reassuring her she'll be well cared for in your absence.
Expect her to express any and all negative responses.
This is her fear talking.
Give her space to get it out.
Acknowledge how she feels.
Don't engage in 'fighting' or manipulative behaviors. If you feel you are caving or not on mental / emotional / psychological ground, excuse yourself for a few minutes - or the rest of the day - and regroup.
You first need to feel and believe you deserve to enjoy your life however you want to. There is co-dependency here (on both sides, I believe).
Learn how to love yourself and validate yourself. This could be life changing for you. Gena
Your mom is still "with it", so that part is different. I chose not to provide mom with a phone - combination of very bad hearing (can't hear on phone most of the time) AND in general all calls the staff has "facilitated" were to ask for a ride home or somewhere like her mother's place. So I don't get that part of what you deal with.
Your mom is currently in IL, and is, for now, more independent (even if co-dependent on you.) Ours is in MC, so all her needs, for the most part, are handled by staff.
My response is after-the-fact, but I am on board with not telling about the trip. If they don't know, they cannot complain, cajole, whine, beg... I see that you let her know last minute - that might work for some, as they realize they don't have time to prepare! If one must inform, then matter-of-fact, statement only, no open end for discussion.
Glad to hear that it all went well, despite the hospital trip/call! Good for you fighting the urge to turn around and rush back. What would you be able to do anyway? Also, as someone else said, this was a good first run as now you are aware that even if there is an emergency, it was handled without you being there! Plan for more mom-less trips!!!
Long ago, well before any dementia, I took our mother on a trip with my kids. NEVER AGAIN. Nit pick, complain, gets huffy when you push back, nit pick some more, back stab brother & his family when not with us, sure she did the same about me, complain some more, slam my daughter's fingers in the car door, NOPE, NEVER again and it never did happen again! Max time I that could spend without her driving me up a wall is/was 4 hours. MAX. It has been way less than that when she gets on her high horse!!! Mother or not, we do not have to take crap from them. Got enough of that when growing up, don't need it now!!!
She's not quite so bad anymore with the dementia, but she's also one to just drift back to the table and magazines and tune you out... sigh, so much for a nice visit. I did visit more often before because of another resident (we did jigsaws together and she could carry on conversation and was "friends" with mom), however she passed away just shy of 101... :-( Now I still visit, but usually not for long. Not much there to entertain me when she delves into the shopping magazines, except perhaps interacting with some of the other residents.
As hard as it sound, it is really up to you to set reasonable limits. While it would be easier to just not tell her where you are going, that really does not solve the problem. You are not 5 and need to account for every step of your whereabouts. Maybe these have been issues you have dealt with for a long long time, and I know that cycle can be hard to break. You also have to realize the toll this type of pressure puts on you, and is not fair. My advice would be to begin an arms length interaction when it comes to these types of things. If you tell her you are going to your daughter's house, make it a statement - period/// not a comma. If she is bold enough to invite herself, be prepared for this and stick to your guns. DO NOT let her guilt you into giving in, they are like children and know that if they push hard enough you will just give up.
New boundaries are in order, and I think you need to take care of yourself as well. You are a great daughter to keep up with her needs, but you have them as well.
Hope you find the strength you need, and enjoy your trip!
Sidelined
Also, if she gets in a huff about it, don't feel guilty about not including your mother. You really do deserve a break from your Mum even though she would prefer that you don't have that much needed rest. You also deserve to spend time with your daughter and grandkids
Elderly people can be so demanding when they want to be.
All the best, Arlene Hutcheon
You did not say that she has dementia; she will get it. Let the staff know she will be in need of extra attention, may act out. Call her 2x a day; facetime if possible. Pay someone to give her a couple of hours of companionship daily if you like. I am sure there are multiple activities she can engage in,
I admire your dedication. You need a break and are likely burned out, Take lots of pictures!
There is really nothing your mom can do to force you to bring her along. Just tell her you’re taking this particular trip alone. If she objects, tell her you’re sorry she doesn’t understand, but this is something you need to do.
Is there a short-term home health aide who can visit her while you are away? It might help put your mind at ease. It seems to me she needs a lot of help.
First, you need to get yourself into a caregiver support group. You’re out of balance and you need help to get your life back on track.
Ok, think about this - the best defense is a good offense.
Be light, be happy, be enthusiastic, and tell her you’re going and that you will take lots of pictures and fill her in on everything when you get back. Yes, you are going alone. “Oh gosh mom I love to take you but I need a break, I got a lot of things going on in my life right now and I just need some time to chill. No it’s not you mom and yes we can plan another visit with you in the future. “
Repeat. Repeat. You are too happy to get down about this. Stand your ground HAPPILY and change the subject. Keep redirecting. make an excuse to go, or get off the phone if she becomes too much, but do it happily and lovingly. And give yourself a great big atta-girl afterwards.
I would consider telling her it’s one more day than it really is so you have a day at home by yourself too!
You know from reading all these posts that you are not being selfish or mean. You know you need to take care yourself. It’s OK. We will all stand up for you!
God bless and enjoy your mini vacation!
Thank you!!!
Remind Mom of the trips that she took in the past with out you is all I’d like to add.
You cannot take her for a number of reasons, and perhaps the top one is you need time alone from her for your own sanity.
I was going to suggest you try to explain this to your mom, but then realized if she is like my mom or some other moms, they don't comprehend logic. Its all about their emotions. So explanations don't work (in my case). Tell her you are going, in a gently way, expect she will probably be upset, then go.
1. I told my mom that I would have more energy when I see her if I had some time for myself to get filled up.
2. You do not know yourself how long of a time this is going to be so you need breaks.
3. I find no matter what I did I could always find something I felt guilty about. I heard a Pod Cast where the interviewer asked a psychiatrist ,what is the one thing you hear the most from adult patients? They answered: the adults most commonly say they regret that they postponed their life until their parents' passed.
It is hard especially when you care so much for them.
I was fortunate to have a great dr. and he found I had an aneurysm at the base of my aorta about ready to go...he said 3cm of wall left. I ended up in patient for several days and she was so angry at me b/c I wasnt there " and something could have happened to ME!" If you think I learned my lesson then, your wrong- that was back in 2010 and until 2018 it didnt get thru my head! And once I started to get clear- AT AGE 60!- I booked at 7 day stay in aruba and didnt give a dam. I slept, ate, laughed, gambled, drank pina collada's, went in the pool, the ocean, got a sun burn, went dancing, went shopping and just sat there and learned there is life outside! Yes, she was angry, yes there was BS to come home to, but you know what, Im going back there again and again and again.
When you have lost yourself, you have nothing to give. Your alive, so live.
My mom is 91, raging super b*tch from the day I was born. Not just with me, she never could keep a friend, a job, the neighbors hated her. I lost friends, jobs, lets not talk about learning to date...because her mouth opened and trouble came out. She hates my husband and one out of 2 kids. I wasted my life trying to push the happy button that doesnt exist. Shouda woulda coulda applys to us too you know, not just them. Your paying the high price of assisted living, let them assist her. What your up against is a negative opinion, nothing more.
If your boss said to you, No vaca for you this year, but your office mate got one...Hmmmm? If you called a dentist and he said your mom doesnt want you to come...Hmmm? See what I mean, Keep the situation, just change the players and see how ridiculous the situation is. Please, dont let your life get away from you, live it. What your feeling is guilt, its mind control. There is still a piece of you that see's thru it, and you think its guilt....its not. Somewhere you know this isnt right and your fighting yourself over making you happy or trying to MAYBE make her happy, if she knows you took her over you. Mind control is NOT control over YOUR mind!!!
The people who give here on this site are amazing-everyone seem to speak from their hearts and soul, and hurtful memories are told truthfully....and believe me, this is the same bunch of people that got thru this thick skull of mine. I owe them! I thought it was me, I thought i was Gods biggest mistake, but its been almost 8 months now and I have finally learned Im not. Neither are you. 60 yrs old and I finally, finally learned to breath. Be you, life is too short!
Well done!
Speaking from experience here...sometimes, our dependent parent needs to hear and understand (as best they can or are willing to) that their care IS a burden. I know, it feels selfish (they raised me, sacrificed for me, etc). But, you ARE caring and sacrificing for her, and you are also allowed to set boundaries and enjoy your own life.
Think of it this way, if everyday, when you sat down to eat, I grabbed your lunch and ate it myself. You never said a word about it, simply made yourself a new sandwich. Who's to blame there? Both of us. Me, for being rude, though, if my brain is starting to fail, you're going to have to make allowances for my judgement. And you, who never says a word!
Tell your mom, "I'm going out to visit ______ for a couple of days. I'm so excited to spend time with the kids." IF, your mom says "take me," say "I wish I could. We'll be running around the entire time and I just can't." Answer EVERY objection she voices from there on out with, "Oh, Mom, I soooo wish I could. We have a lot of fun ALL THE OTHER TIMES I'VE TAKEN YOU WITH ME. But, this time it just won't work." Don't get into a discussion. Keep repeating, "I'm sorry, I just can't." Even if she piles on guilt-trip language (Oh, am I so much trouble that you can't bring me. Don't you love me? They don't want to see me? It may be their last chance.) BE STRONG. You are a wonderful and devoted daughter and you need to treat yourself as such. Your mom is in taking mode and it's up to you to put boundaries on it.