I am packing up Parent's house solo. They both passed in 2022: My Dad in Jan & my Mom: day after Christmas. Diff emotions around both. Working thru via articles, YouTubes, chats with my Sister, almost daily. My Mom is hopefully at peace now. Decades of Alcoholism, Mania, Borderline, NPD...tail end Early Onset. Damaging behaviors. She was never nice or close to the Stepsis & 2 Stepbros.
She passed in their home via accident. She was not limber & had a fall. Only 79. Had she been exercising ...would have had years ahead of her.
I used to share selectively that she was a Hoarder but not quite what you see on TLC. You could walk in & out of every room, but every drawer & closet was jam packed. Well, that is an understatement. Shocking to say the least. Rude awakening every day I am there. I have supplies & a system. To help my brain I make a "to do list." So much to take in & process. Before long I will have Junk King and another company dropping a roll off dumpster truck which I will have for a week...to dump trash into.
So, I spent 3 days there within a week.
Last Monday, spent 5 hrs there- up-back home (2 hr drive each way). This past weekend, I "worked" there on Fri 5.5, stayed overnight in a hotel, and back up for 5 more hrs on Sat.
Every drawer & closet & cupboard is chalk full of items that don't go together... could not even walk into her master closet: clothes piled high on the floor-many new-with receipts, bags, tissue paper...greeting cards-boxes of them. To clear & properly bag the floor contents will take countless hours. And, every drawer I open has notes, and toys, and a hard candy, rubber bands.. an important document or 5. So, I have to sift thru everything with a fine tooth comb.
Wild insight into her mental illnesses-NPD mindset. A tough physical job I have in front of me: pull together what is trash, what is donate, what is keepsake...
I keep one foot in front of the other. If she watching me do what I am doing...she would be screaming & cussing at me. "Do not touch that drawer. You are so intrusive." My Dad would say "Wow. Thank You Dear. You are welcome to help anytime!"
Not letting my Sis & her Hubs come out from AZ until end of next month to help. One of her Daughters is about to have a baby. I am good doing this grunt work, but it is physically & mentally taxing.. You all would be shell shocked. Back up on Thursday for the day. Back that night. I will do a hotel stay once a month so I can do 2 days back to back.
No rush on it, and yet the sooner I get done, I can put more of this behind me ...and feel more free. I still feel in chains. She would love that....
Thank YOU! <3
I will (God + Universe willing) come out on the other side.. better off... Thank you for your well wishes & for sharing your experience. Helps me! <3
What you are doing might also get you to take a closer look at your own closets, drawers, basement and attic.
I am reading this because I sat down for a moment because I am in the midst of what I am calling "Swedish Sick" cleaning...not quite as hard core as "Swedish Death Cleaning" but close.
the 3 piles of any clean up
Discard
Donate
Sell
ok a 4th...
Keep. (this should be the smallest pile of all.)
I wish you well
Sorry about the circumstances.
Thank You for your advice... I like the how you typed it out... This is my mindset right now...helps me to know I am going about it correctly...
Look thru all pockets. In books, albums. My Aunt squirreled her money in books and albums next to her chair. My cousin found $3000 when she cleaned out. My boss was asked to get some clothes out of a friends apt who had just gone into a NH. Boss found $400 in friends coat pocket.
I love cleaning out other peoples houses. If I knew years ago what I do now, I may have done it as a business.
I'm a senior whose mom luckily kept as little as possible rather than have to dust it, keep track of it, or misplace it. Everything she had was used pretty regularly or gone.
Growing up I thought we were either Japanese or Swedish for all the clear sightlines except for the tasteful but very sparsely placed treasured 5 or 6 select items per room. All drawers and closets were not crowded. My parent's storage bin only held some luggage, a couple of beach chairs, a beach umbrella and winter coats during summers.
Every few weeks I cull, throw out, donate, or give away. Oh, the thrill of seeing an empty draw and emptying shelves that once had 100's of books.
It's very liberating.
My in-laws on the other hand, may their sweet souls rest-in-peace. It was a cruel and sad punishment to be left with that mountainous collection of broken bits and pieces of nothing.
I love IKEA but have to ban myself from more than 1 visit a year.. way too many things come home. I am a bit of a Bowerbird - seem to collect & keep bits of this & that catch my eye.
You are right about leaving mountains for others (I love the way you put it). Unfortunately I think too many leave clearing out just too long, until they can no longer do it. 😔
After my parents' estate sale, I brought in a crew to clear out all the rest. My parents weren't hoarders by any means, but 50 years in one place leads to a lot of "accumulation" (70 sherry glasses, anyone?). The clean-out crew came in, loaded up what they thought they could sell at a charitable auction they hold each year, and took the rest to the dump. It cost me only $1600, because they stood to make more from the sale. Fine with me.
Don't get too excited about that dumpster. They come with a weight limit of about 900 lbs, and you'd be surprised at how fast that fills up. It took us four dumpsters at $250 apiece to clear out my dad's garage six months before the estate sale, and we didn't throw out half of what was in there.
The clean-out crew was a far better deal, and they cleared out the yard, too.
I called numerous estate sale companies but they weren't interested unless the items were high end collectables. Guess the items had to sit in the White House or one of the Queen's palaces before they would even ring the door bell :P
One day I need to have a plumber out to fix a problem, and he remarked about my parent's very old curve glass china cabinet. I could tell he was drawn to antiques. The cabinet wasn't a passed down family heirloom, so I just gave the cabinet him. He was so happy, and that made me feel good.
Also, I had a handyman who I knew, help me clear out Dad's workshop, and attic. I had already took home some of Dad's tools to my house, and offered the handyman whatever tools he would want.
Salvation Army came out for the rest of the furniture, but only took what was on the main floor, they couldn't go upstairs because of the U shape of the stairs due to a risk of damaging wall because of the stairs.
I was selling the house "as is" as the thought of remodeling was too time consuming, and a contract eventually came in and the buyer [who was a flipper] said it was ok to leave whatever I had left in the house, he would take care of it. I should have taken up his option to leave what furniture and misc. and rest of the garage stuff that I hadn't clean out, as I was mentally exhausted.
Oh, on good weather days, one can also put out on curbside with a note saying free. That also worked for me.
Good luck, I know what you are going through.
You can schedule pick up date online.
Wow this is a LOT of work! It will get done eventually but the patience for sorting through every item is immense.
Will you be putting the house on the market? It would be nice if you had some help as this is such a big job.
It is stressful with or without help.
Since they lived through the depression, they hid money in bed posts, the finial could be removed and grandpa would place money inside the bedpost, cookie jars, the freezer, etc.
My mom found money hidden. She said that my grandparents put money away for a ‘rainy day’ and then would forget about it.
Some very good advice re outsourcing & using agencies. But I get wanting to do it yourself. The control + sense of responsibility + maybe cathartic?
I'd do just as you are I think. Some back to back shifts with a hotel bed inbetween to reduce the commute. I think I'd add an end date - before I ran out of steam or it took too much from me. That could be when family come on board?
Finding that balance.. between doing it all yourself to letting go & involving others. When to switch.
You've got this.
So many emotions, but I do feel pressure off my chest last couple wks. My Doctor was correct. Said it was pressure of dealing with her... Argh.
Your words validated my approach! "Also, I tried really hard to do the “touch it once” rule. Once I touched something, it was either keep, donate, or toss, and not touch again."
I have been "doing" this technique, because time is so precious. I'd like to live thru this experience & legit ring in the New Year..
Hopefully by Spring...
I wish you the very best, it's so exhausting. You got this!
But I really DO get the feeling that you have that YOU need to be the one who cleans this all out.
After mom died, YB went crazy for a couple of days, didn't sleep and just began going through her things and throwing away almost EVERYTHING.
When we met 2 days after her death, to clean, most of us sibs--we found a basically empty apartment. It was hard not to be angry with YB--and he did throw away a lot of stuff that had sentimental value, or that had been promised to someone. YS was beyond angry--and she'll never forgive him for playing the "POA" card--which I guess he was not aware was made null by mom's death.
We ALL needed to touch some things and process our loss. But we were cut off by his over the top hysteria.
Really, there wasn't anything that 'spoke' to me, and that's good b/c it almost all wound up being thrown away or given to GoodWill.
It has made the grieving process a lot harder than it needed to be. Take your time, do it your way and you will probably find that peace will slowly replace the anxiety.
I do think it is helping me process more.. My Mom was very troubled mentally & I see now where she placed value: her security was in her stuff not in people...family/friendships... Sad...but time for free myself & live...fully live....
Shows me the internal struggle my Mom was experiencing. Saddens me to think she felt everything was important to keep. Decades old expired credit cards in those baseball trading card type of albums with the transparencies. Shoeboxes full of greeting cards. 8 place settings of beautiful "Eternal" Lennox China never unboxed... receipts...scraps of paper...little toys..rubber bands & tongue depressors used as book marks...collections of so much of all of everything. Tons of silverware...every kitchen drawer was a junk drawer...little toys...paper clips...a million light bulbs.. on & on & on
.... Mindblowing.. but starting to feel I am making a small dent.. Hopefully not losing days of life doing this... I have 15 legal boxes of books loaded up for 1st donation at the local library end of month. Going to be handful of mos of loading up these boxes until I get all of them out... My Sis will come end of next month..but I want to have a handful of days there prior to her visit.. so we can work on garage..and part of her master closet.... So many emotions...most of them are sadness-some anger--resentment...but then understanding that she didn't have the capacity to purge.. I have to move forward ...knowing I am doing what needs to be done...
One thing I've learned is that nothing is important enough to keep around just to clutter up your life. Take a photo of things that remind you of a good time or place, then toss it! I actually carry a lot of resentment, though, for "things" as they have always been more important to her than her kids, her husband, real life...
Another solo house-emptier here. My only regret was not walking around with a camera to document the sheer amount of stuff to deal with. Childhood home, 40 years lived in, outbuildings and six storage units filled to the brim . I hired some helpers plus a charity - bless them!!! - and sole sibling did nothing but take items she wanted. Didn’t even take a scrap of paper to the recycle bin, she did nothing!
It was emotionally so hard as dad’s death was horrible, mom was sliding into dementia, and of course every scrap of childhood was there. Not to mention laundry receipts from the 50’s, bank statements from a great grandmother, I mean for gods’ sake!! Everything.
I developed my own method and it sounds like you’ve got yours, so no advice. Except watch your back, literally. I was careful not to lift heavy things of course, but the sheer AMOUNT of stuff I had to shift around did a number on my back for a little while.
The whole experience sucked but like you I knew it would suck and decided to plow through the Beast of Task of Awfulness and that’s what I did! Dove in and finished! Worked hard and fast, and wasn’t martyring myself - there was simply no other person to lead on that huge project! I did indulge in mango smoothies near daily plus one shot of whisky at the end of the day from their liquor cabinet ( which of course had to be cleared out )
In hindsight I’m really pissed that my entire immediate family led such big lives and then left the literal mess from their big lives behind for me to clean up. Like la-de-da life has been great now you get to clean it up , sweetie drudge. Boooo!!!
One thing I came away with was realizing that people do leave their crap behind for me to clean up - two exes and a roomate did that too - but on a funny note it’s cured me of having problems decluttering my own space now. I’m downright neurotic about Stuff now. Also, when people ask for volunteers for junk or garbage community cleanups I’m like ABSOLUTELY NOT! I’m through with cleaning up after other peoples’ careless messes! My volunteer stuff is more about animals and weeding invasive species and that sort of thing. After this monumental task you might feel the same way lol
Excuse the long answer but boy I feel ya. Been there!! Sending you another high five, a hug, and a mango smoothie. You’ve got this!!
V.
My dad passed in Jan 2022, mom had a stroke in 2020 and has dementia so dad was taking care of her. When he passed, I'm now taking care of mom.
I spent the first six months of last year at my parents home 4 hrs away. I work from home so I was able take my computer and work during the day. I had a 30 yd dumpster delivered to the driveway and in the evenings I started cleaning. Mom was a hoarder. She hid a lot of it. I found boxes of jars, just pickle jars, dressing jars, etc. she saved boxes and boxes of them. Also saved lids from every type of jar. My parents grew up with literally nothing and made a decent life for themselves and us. We were lower middle class but always had clothes on our backs and food on the table. I just thought since mom & dad never had much, she wanted to hold onto everything she had. I had no idea how bad it had gotten. I paid a monthly fee for the dumpster, that was another horror story, trash companies are terrible. Started in January after dad died and they took the dumpster away, full, in early July. The house isn't clean yet but I only left what I thought we kids would want or stuff that had worth. Now I have a regular dumpster there and whenever I'm there, I throw stuff out.
Mom was always super sharp. Dad had gas stations and worked for himself. My brothers worked there too until people stopped working on cars in gas stations. Mom saved every receipt of everything she bought for taxes. Saved every years taxes from 1961 on. Had papers with SS numbers and bank accounts of employees and my brothers. I couldn't bring myself to just throw this stuff away, I was afraid someone would find the numbers and steal identities. So I shredded a LOT of stuff. that took a lot of time. People thought I was crazy but I'm glad I did it. Looking through all the stuff, I found moms dementia started before her stroke happened and I never knew it. I think she became overwhelmed with everything she kept and couldn't bring herself to throw any of it away. But didn't have a place for it since every file cabinet was full. I found stacks of papers, paid receipts, etc. hidden everywhere around the house. I had no idea and I was very close to mom. Mom loved to take pictures of everything we did so there are a lot of pictures. My brothers want to go through them so I'm keeping a lot of albums.
I am working to get mom in a facility now, living with me is just becoming too much. This is another story but once mom is in a facility, I'll be going back up there again to finish cleaning that house and sell it.
One thing I found in their town is they have places that do online auctions. I was going up there about a week a month before mom got worse recently. I would take a load of stuff to the online auction and the money I made from it would pay for moms adult day care. Not much, only one day a week for 5 hours but every bit helps my sanity.
I understand about doing it yourself. My brother came to help me for a while but he just wanted to throw everything away so I had to watch him so much, I just sent him away. He wasn't even looking at things.
I'm hoping to be done with their house by spring but that may be wishful thinking. When I decided to put mom in memory care or somewhere in December I thought it would be soon but its not as easy as I thought and is taking more time than I planned. I've never done this before. I find myself crying everyday and grieving and mom is still here.
I wish you luck! I also wish me luck :)